Layout

Quick summary of Layout

Layout (layout.fm) was a weekly podcast about design, technology, programming, and 'everything else' — hosted by Kevin Clark (designer with experience at Heroku + various Bay Area companies) and Rafael Conde (designer + developer with similar background). Podcast ran from ~2015-2022 covering design industry conversation, technology developments, work + craft, and casual long-form chat that was substantive but not preachy. By 2026 Layout's regular publishing has ended but the 200+ episode archive remains a substantial body of design + tech discussion. Available free on all major podcast platforms (Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Pocket Casts, etc.). Sits in the design podcast landscape alongside Design Matters by Debbie Millman (covered earlier — world's first design podcast since 2005 with long-form biographical interviews with creative leaders across disciplines, still actively publishing), Design Details by Bryn Jackson + Brian Lovin (covered earlier — practitioner conversation about app + product design since 2014, still active), 99% Invisible by Roman Mars (design storytelling about cities + everyday objects + history, still active), Google Design Podcasts (covered earlier — Google-curated design content), and various other design podcasts. Distinguished from active design podcasts (Design Matters + Design Details + 99% Invisible currently publishing) by archive-only positioning since ~2022, distinguished from Design Matters (long-form biographical interviews across creative disciplines) by design + technology + programming intersection focus, distinguished from Design Details (practitioner app + product design conversation) by broader tech/programming inclusion, distinguished from 99% Invisible (design storytelling format) by conversational podcast format vs storytelling, distinguished from Google Design Podcasts (corporate-curated Google content) by independent two-host conversation format. Free podcast archive — available on all major podcast platforms with 200+ episode back catalogue substantial enough to explore for years. Best for designers + developers interested in the design + technology + programming intersection (Layout covered this specific space during its run), designers exploring back catalogue of design + tech conversations from 2015-2022 era for historical context, designers who care about technical implementation + developers who care about design quality (the cross-disciplinary perspective Layout offered), and supplement to active design podcasts for the design + tech intersection content Layout's archive covers. Skip for active currently-publishing design podcasts where Design Matters + Design Details + 99% Invisible are still active and cover current developments better, for pure design content without tech/programming context where Design Matters + Design Details + 99% Invisible fit better, for design history + storytelling format where 99% Invisible is the canonical choice, for current industry conversation where Layout's archive may feel dated since publishing ended in 2022, or if you don't listen to podcasts as a learning format. Beloved podcast for the design + tech intersection during its 2015-2022 run in 2026 — Kevin Clark + Rafael Conde's combination of design + development perspective made it distinctive; even though regular publishing ended, the archive of substantive design + tech conversation remains worth exploring for designers + developers interested in that intersection as supplementary archive listening alongside active design podcasts.